Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II

[Gast]

[bobo]

anyway, mijn favoriete 190 was de 2.3-16, die was destijds redelijk betaalbaar.

1.8 miljoen was toch vrij veel geld in '84, dezelfde prijs als een 280 se

maar ik ken natuurlijk de grootte van uw sok niet

[DB7 Vantage]

1.8 miljoen was toch vrij veel geld in '84, dezelfde prijs als een 280 se

maar ik ken natuurlijk de grootte van uw sok niet

Kheb geen prijslijsten liggen van '84, maar in '85 kostte een 2.3l-16 1.380.000 bfr. Nog altijd meer dan genoeg denk ik zo.

[bobo]

Kheb geen prijslijsten liggen van '84, maar in '85 kostte een 2.3l-16 1.380.000 bfr. Nog altijd meer dan genoeg denk ik zo.

geloof ik niet
mss zonder 33% btw, dat moest toen nog niet verplicht erbij staan

[Gast]

geloof ik niet
mss zonder 33% btw, dat moest toen nog niet verplicht erbij staan

een auto van '84 was in '90 al 6 jaar oud. en met schade zo goed als waardeloos.

[bobo]

owkee

[Gast]

Samen met de 500E de meest begeerlijke Mercedes ooit gemaakt. Zo vet/dik/stoer/machtig/bruut/geweldig/......

Als het op 80's iconen aankomt, en je zet een EVO II naast een Ur-Quattro zal ik toch even moeten nadenken! Als de Ur-quattro een Sport-quattro is, dan ja....

Supertopic!

[Gast]

Samen met de 500E de meest begeerlijke Mercedes ooit gemaakt. Zo vet/dik/stoer/machtig/bruut/geweldig/......

Als het op 80's iconen aankomt, en je zet een EVO II naast een Ur-Quattro zal ik toch even moeten nadenken! Als de Ur-quattro een Sport-quattro is, dan ja....

Supertopic!

Neem jij de quattro maar, heb ik een speelkameraadje

[Gast]

in 1985 kostte een 190 2.3-16 evenveel als een 280 SL toen, nl zo'n 58.000 DM

[bobo]

'maar' 1.2 mil ?

[Gast]

'maar' 1.2 mil ?

Toen, als we dat actualiseren is dat heel wat meer

Een brood kostte toen ook maar een paar frank

[Gast]

Een brood kostte toen ook maar een paar frank

da's al iets langer geleden.

[Gast]

da's al iets langer geleden.

ja zeg, 't was een vb. In 1985 nam ik enkel genoegen met pap

[Gast]

ja zeg, 't was een vb. In 1985 nam ik enkel genoegen met pap

ik niet.

[bobo]

[DB7 Vantage]

Nog eens wat cijfertjes opgezocht in enkele oude Autogidsen. Prijzen zijn inclusief BTW:

2.3-16:
mei 1985 = 1.380.000 bfr.
januari 1986 = 1.496.250 bfr.


2.5-16
februari 1989 = 1.752.940 bfr.
januari 1990 = 1.806.140 bfr.

Best wel stevige prijzen dus. Over de EVO-versies heb ik niets teruggevonden van prijzen... maar ja, hebben die ooit in de prijscatalogus gestaan aangezien het gelimiteerde versies waren?

[Gast]

Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II

Compact dynamism

* March 8 – 18, 1990: Premiere of the 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II
* Only 502 units built
* Perfect basis for motor sport

The Mercedes-Benz 190 (201 series) introduced in 1982 rapidly made a name for itself as the “Baby-Benz�. But who would have thought that it would also acquire a reputation as a compact sports car over the years and after several engine and equipment refinements? This development finally culminated in the 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II which made its debut at the Geneva Motor Show in March 1990.

A first sports version came onto the market in 1983: in the ECE version, the engine of the 190 E 2.3-16 developed 185 hp (136 kW) and accelerated the car from standstill to 100 km/h in 7.5 seconds; the top speed was 230 km/h. The 190 E 2.5-16 which followed in 1988 with an advanced 195 hp (143 kW) sixteen-valve engine boasted similar performance. These were the sort of top-class performance figures which warranted the car’s use in motor sport. As early as 1985, the 190 E 2.3-16 was entered by private teams first in the French production car championships and from 1987 also in the German Touring Car Championships (DTM). In 1988, Daimler-Benz became active by officially supporting teams competing in the DTM. One year later, a homologation version with type approval for road use, the 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution I, made its debut. Engine output had remained the same but the running gear had been modified for the sort of racetrack work for which the EVO I had been designed, forming as it did the basis for a Group A DTM touring car. Of this model, 502 units were built to obtain homologation – a precondition for participation in motor sport. This model was highly successful in numerous races. Demands, however, were rising and so, the only logical step was to develop an even more powerful EVO.

This new car – the 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II – celebrated its world premiere at the Geneva Motor Show in March 1990. The 2.5 liter engine of the EVO II, as the car was known for short, developed an output of 235 hp (173 kW) and a torque of 245 Newton meters between 5000/min and 6000/min. The car, weighing some 1300 kilograms, accelerated from standstill to 100 km/h in just 7.1 seconds and reached a top speed of 250 km/h. The sports suspension afforded highly precise handling, being adjustable to three different heights by means of an inconspicuous switch to the left of the steering wheel. Sports seats gave the driver and front passenger firm support while rear passengers were provided with two contoured individual seats.

The EVO II stood out for its bodywork modifications designed to reduce drag still further and to raise downforce at the front and rear axles. Particularly distinctive and eye-catching features were the large rear airfoil and the wheelarch flares.

And so the EVO II caused quite a stir, quite literally. Within three months, a small series of 502 units was produced to obtain homologation for motor sport. The car’s price was self-assured, in keeping with its performance. The EVO II was to be had at a price of DM 115,260 (equivalent to € 58,932) – with air conditioning at DM 119,717 (€ 61,210). Buyers were ensured exclusiveness in return: every EVO II had a plate with its consecutive number next to the shift lever.

The car may have been ever so well developed and designed – for the motor sport teams, it was no more than the basis for additional modifications. And there was plenty of scope for the latter: engine output was boosted to well over 300 hp and the car’s weight was reduced to less than 1,000 kilograms, resulting in a top speed in the range of 300 km/h. It is therefore not surprising that the EVO II was a highly successful competitor on the racetrack – as borne out by the DTM driver’s title clinched by Klaus Ludwig in 1992.

bron: http://www.worldcarfans.com/classics...ercedes/1.html

[Gast]

[Gast]

The wolf in wolf's clothing.

This car is a perfect example of how a company's constant refining of its product resulted in the realisation of a true classic. In 1983, Mercedes debuted a sports version of the 190, badged the ECE. The car developed 185 bhp, and did 0–60 mph in 7.5 seconds. Two years later, the car was recognised for its racing potential, and by 1987 it was a fully-fledged German TCC (DTM) competitor. Engine sized was bored out to 2.5 litres in 1988, resulting in a small power increase, and more solid performance. However, it wasn't until Mercedes unveiled the homologation version – the 2.5 litre 16 valve Evolution I – that Daimler-Benz started supporting the private teams that had started racing the 190 in previous years. Their public acknowledgment of the car's ability was a result of their modifications to the running gear to ensure it was entirely racetrack-ready.

Demand for the 190 Evolution I was high, and Mercedes realised that it was almost a foregone conclusion that an even more powerful version would sell just as well. The 190 E 2.5–16 Evolution II was unveiled at the Geneva Motor Show in 1990. Boasting a 30% increase in output from the 190 ECE, the car's 235 bhp took it to 60 mph in just 7 seconds. As if that wasn't enough, race teams were able to tune to EVO II to produce well over 300 bhp, and reach speeds of 190 mph. The height-adjustable suspension gave the car superb handling, allowing it to dominate the DTM in the early 1990s.

The significant bodywork modifications on the EVO II were naturally functional, but also made the car stand out from both its sister models, and its DTM rivals. Nobody buying one of these cars at the time wanted onlookers to be in any doubt as to what lay under the bonnet. The EVO II is a classic brute in all its glory, and the forerunner to every super-saloon ever since.

For: DTM Heritage, and its raw Teutonic power and poise.
Against: Almost everyone will think you're a chav who's just slapped big spoilers on a cheap Mercedes.

Dat nadeel zou ik eerder als voordeel zien eigenlijk

[tuscani]

Best grapige post van MBman.
er zijn er 502 wereldwijd gemaakt en dan doodleuk schrijven da teen kennis van u er 3 heeft.

Blijft een formidabele wagen, vooral met die kuipzetels achteraan.