Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II

[Gast]

Bwa, 150.000km ongeveer, en dat is niet bijeengespaard door rond de kerktoren te rijden denk ik....

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Daarvoor dienen die karren dan ook niet echt

Alleen het stuur vind ik jammer genoeg iets te simpel

[Cedrick]

Dit blijft gewoon een droom!!

[Gast]

Die rechte, scherpe lijnen, magnifiek. Ik heb er altijd van gehouden. Net zoals bij een Ferrari Testarossa, die had/heeft ook van die hoekige kanten.

Daarnaast heeft deze Mercedes zo'n beetje een maffialook (op de vrij grote kofferspoiler na dan) en ik val voor alle wagens met een maffialook (zoals zwarte Chrysler 300C met verduisterde ramen) .

[Gast]

Daarvoor dienen die karren dan ook niet echt

Alleen het stuur vind ik jammer genoeg iets te simpel

Ik weet dat ze daarvoor niet dienen, maar jij vroeg in hoe een staat die zijn als ze 25k kosten.

Dat is het risico van zo een wagen te kopen he. Beetje zoals 2e hands GT2 of GT3 kopen.

[Gast]

Die rechte, scherpe lijnen, magnifiek. Ik heb er altijd van gehouden. Net zoals bij een Ferrari Testarossa, die had/heeft ook van die hoekige kanten.

Daarnaast heeft deze Mercedes zo'n beetje een maffialook (op de vrij grote kofferspoiler na dan) en ik val voor alle wagens met een maffialook (zoals zwarte Chrysler 300C met verduisterde ramen) .

I present you:

Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution I

[BMWE46]

I present you:

Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution I

Is bij mijn weten een gewone 2,3 deze boven. De Evo 1 had eeniets hogere spoiler als deze. En andere velgen

[BMWE46]

In den tijd had de lokale visboer een evo II , allé eigenlijk was het zijne zoon

[Gast]

Is bij mijn weten een gewone 2,3 deze boven. De Evo 1 had eeniets hogere spoiler als deze. En andere velgen

Maakt niet uit

Geef mij maar een helmsteun op de koffer

[Gast]

Commentaar van een of andere Duitser

Michael Schumacher, who has won 5 World Championship title in Formula One, tested the Evolution II back in 1992. (World Champion with Benetton Ford, Benetton Renault and 3 titles with Ferrari) For the record, Mika Hakkinen, 2 times World Champion with the team West McLaren Mercedes-Benz, also tested the EVOII. However, Mika also test drove the race version which had about 390 hp.



The main goal of that test was for Michael Schumacher to give is opinion about what was the sportiest Mercedes in 1992. The cars Schumi was comparing were:



- The Brabus 500 E, V8, (~430hp)
- The 190 E 3.2 liter AMG (238hp)
- The 190 E 2.3 liter AMG (195hp)
- The Carlsson 190 E 3.5 (~250hp)
- The 190 E 2.5 EVOII (235hp)

After testing all of these stunning machines, Schumacher concluded that the winner was the Mercedes EVOII. Although he admits that it took him quiet a while to get use to the huge DTM wing, this was not the important bit.

On very fast corners, he said that the "big rear wing" totally fulfills its role: "it gives the car more down-force and keeps it well on the line while cornering". According to Schumi himself, the EVOII is a car that combines all the necessary ingredients for a sport car: "this car has great handling, a superb braking system, a rough engine and a fantastic chassis.

On the other hand, he admits: "In terms of engine power, I am slightly disappointed, the tuners such as Brabus offer more power".

However, concerning the chassis, their is nothing to complain about. The Evo II offers the best chassis by fare. Not only the car always has plenty of grip, it is also very well balanced. Harder you drive the car, more balanced the car becomes.

Michael Schumacher conclusion?

"The sportiest Mercedes is not build by any of the tuners. No, it is not from Brabus or Carlsson, it directly comes out of the Mercedes-Benz factory"

[Gast]

Acceleration figures
0 to 80 km/h: 4.9s
0 to 100 km/h: 6.7s
0 to 120 km/h: 9.0s
0 to 140 km/h: 12.1s
0 to 160 km/h: 15.2s
0 to 180 km/h: 22.4s
0 to 200 km/h: 28.3s

0 to 400m = 14.6s
0 to 1000m= 27.1s

[Gast]

Eentje waar hij thuishoort:

[BMWE46]

"The sportiest Mercedes is not build by any of the tuners. No, it is not from Brabus or Carlsson, it directly comes out of the Mercedes-Benz factory

Was de motor ni van cosworth ?

[Gast]

Track Test

The stock 2.5-16 is a remarkable track car. The steering, dogleg-first, shifter, clutch, brakes and throttle give plenty of feedback. The car feels solid, small and well balanced so it becomes an extension of our limbs. However, the stock 2.5-16 has considerable body roll and the brakes are good to a point but not quiet good enough for track use.

The SPORT EVO has a much gustier-feeling engine. Even though on paper it is equal to the 2.5-16 engine, it goes harder, it revs with greater alacrity and it feels snnapier. The EVOI has 23% stiffer springs & shocks and that makes all the difference. The altered gearing also shows up on the straights, so it is faster and superbly balanced handling can be exploited even more with the wider rubber. Best of all are the brakes. Where the 2.5-16 washes off speed convincingly, the anchors on the EVOI feel like a drag chute has just opened behind you.

The jump for the EVOI to the EVOII feels less pronuounced. The car is most definitely faster, but you must really wind out the motor. Not that it complains. This motor spins like a dynamo. The larger tires give the EVOII even more grip and the new limited differential has an effective stabilizing action. (Taken from International Sports Car magazine)

Around the Hockenheim racetrack, the stock 2.5-16 is 3s slower than the EVOII. The fastest is logically the EVOII which is 0.7s faster than the EVOI. The EVOII could be even faster, but the rear axle ratio implies that gears have to be changed more often so its wasting precious seconds going up and down the gearbox. The stock 2.5-16 is a good car for circuit use but the EVO's are just icing on the cake. (numbers taken from Mercedes Enthusiast magazine)

The EVOI and EVOII are fantastic cars for circuit use. They are precise, well balanced and easy to point at racing speeds.

[Gast]

Was de motor ni van cosworth ?

Die zaten er wel voor iets tussen ja.

Maar sportiviteit zit em niet enkel in de motor, dat zou jij toch wel moeten weten he

[BMWE46]

Maar sportiviteit zit em niet enkel in de motor, dat zou jij toch wel moeten weten he

100% gelijk in.

Evo II is één van mijn favo's zelf, net zoals zijn rechtstreekse concurrent: E30 M3 Sportevo

Zou goeie topic zijn in Die of Dat : Mercedes 2,5-16 Evo II vs BMW E30 M3 Sportevo

[Gast]

Stukje over de motor:

The Mercedes-Benz Evolution engine was, in 1990, the biggest 4 cylinder engine that you could find on the market with the BMW and Porsche engine. This powerful 4 cylinder was build "in house" by Mercedes-Benz themeselves, without the help of any tuners. (Only the DTM engine was modified by AMG) This Mercedes-Benz engine is a 2463cc with 16 valves producing 235hp @ 7200rpm. The most impressive fact is that, this motor is a N/A one which means it produces 235 hp without the help of any turbochargers or "kompressor".

Compare to a stock 190 E 2.5-16, the EVO engine has a special short strock engine that was build with shorter and lighter pistons. The piston size is now 97.3 mm and the strock is 82.8 mm. (compare to 95.5 and 80.25 mm for the 190 E) Different con-rods with pistons pin lubrification were used. They were also stronger and lighter than the ones used on the 16v engine.

Cylinder heads were different and the crankshaft now only had four counter weights instead of 8. This was done in order to obtain a reduction in weight. The intake camshaft was changed and a single timing chain was used to drive the camshaft and gears. The intake manifold, the throttle valve assembly were flow-obtimized and the compression ratio was now 10.5:1.

The fly wheel was lightened, the clutch was modified and re-inforced. The underfloor catalytic convertors were designed as a steel monolith, two flute pipe with increased cross section, matched to larger silencer and pipes for increased engine output.

The fly wheel was also lighteneg and the rear axle ratio was now 3.46:1 in order to have a better acceleration. The gear-box also had shorter gears for the same purpose, better acceleration. The KE and EZL control units were replaced in order to suit this engine. Their was also a new gear-driven high pressure oil pump installed for the first time. Although it is logical, I still have to mention that a larger radiator was fitted in order to cool the engine more efficiently.

[Gast]

100% gelijk in.

Evo II is één van mijn favo's zelf, net zoals zijn rechtstreekse concurrent: E30 M3 Sportevo

Zou goeie topic zijn in Die of Dat : Mercedes 2,5-16 Evo II vs BMW E30 M3 Sportevo

Concurrenten:

BMW Sport Evolution III
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Lancia Delta Integrale 16v
Opel Omega EVO 500

[Gast]

Verschillen met de standaard motor

- Engine block modified to use a chain-driven oil pump for increased flow capacity.
- Lightened crank (4 of the original 8 counterweights were eliminated)
- Stronger lifter...
- All ports undergo careful machining and gas-flowing.
_ Compression ratio reverts back to 10.5:1 of the original 2.3-16.
- New cams with increased lift and duration.
- Reprogrammed fuel injection?engine management system.
- Larger throttle body.
- All steel, free-flowing cat.
- Final drive ratio shortened from 3.27 to 3.46.
- Fully progressive, electronic, limited slip differential. (Locking ratio varies from completely open to completely lock)

Final HP figures= 235hp @ 7200 rpm and 181 lbs. ft. between 5000 and 6000rpm.

[BMWE46]

Concurrenten:

BMW Sport Evolution III
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Lancia Delta Integrale 16v
Opel Omega EVO 500

Waar is den tijd ....zucht!!!

[Gast]

Waar is den tijd ....zucht!!!

Ik was toen nog een broekje van minder dan 10 jaar.

Maar vergeet nooit dat ik in de Mercedes-garage in turnhout als ukkie zo versteld was van die wagen (een Brabus-versie dan nog) dat ik hem nooit meer ben vergeten...